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he didnt say empty. He says the less amount of fuel as required: As in, do not attempt a take off on full belly.
His words:

maybe 10% that should make it over the second leg

I think he implied that you calculate the fuel required with relative accuracy, then just add a 10% excess for the needs and go with it. (as oppose to refuel completely and attempt going out heavy)
Keep in mind those birds on full belly will give you 6000+ nm range, but from KPIR to KPDX you only looking for 1000+
Noting that is what he reffered as "empty" -- in constrast to a full load.

BTW... Had you tried landing and taking off the A332 from KPIR? The A330 family is very kind on that respect: but in any case is not as large as the B748.

Still, if we stick by the numbers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A330#Specifications
And considering we are not ASL, but 2000 ft above, the runways at 7000 ft happen to be short of your needs to lift with MTOW.
(fun to try out thou )

Ah!
I see.
(But seriously, I can reverse to the very end of the runway, power TOGA, flaps 2, and probably make it...)


Thanks, JWOCKY and IAHM!

yes, Lego. The A330 probably can. (As a matter of fact, it should)
The concern is with the larger ones.

We got a major issue with KPIR. Both runways on terasync is unusable. I was going to do some testing with the 747-8 but the 25/07 is completely underground and 31/13 has killer grass going through it.

oohk. Time to check.... Maybe I'll be making the WED layout after all
Thanks for the report T-URBO

EDIT

HI everyone. Pierre's KPIR in terrasync is gone to S**T. There is one runway fully buried in terrain and the other one quite partly. Really, it looks like a volcano came and cover the whole thing up.

One solution to the problem is that I build an optional scenery package to have that airport used.

The other solution to the problem is quite my favorite. I will say, we change our mid-stop for a bit detour, and honor all of this crap by going to KRAP[*] (Rapid City, SD); instead of KPIR (Pierre, SD). The airport is some 120 miles west of KPIR, but, although higher than KPIR, it features a longer runway (14/32; 8700ft). Also, the terrain is nice, and the airport layout features much more confortable tarmacs for our 1 h wait.



So, instead of sinking with the bulls**T in Pierre, I guess the tour is just going to divert to KRAP

BTW, although a more comfortable runway -- those in the long birds might want to look at the landing and taking off there. But now with 2000 ft more length to spare (in comparison to KPIR), I think you are set golden

Flightplan

Expect an amendment of the flight plans accordingly in the few days to come


Best,
IH-COL

____ Footnotes
[*] @Lego, this is not a military leg, so just forget about KRCA.

Yeh, ALMOST empty ... sometimes reading helps- With 10% fuel, you have still roughly 1500nm range.

Oh, man!
I wish I had seen it.
My passengers are most unhappy about my landing in KPIR.
I went over the grass of the runway 13/31 at 100 knots.... not pretty.

jwocky wrote:Landing
now, that is an art,

Well ... and as you guys know, I take art in all its forms very seriously: Sometimes with a hint of dramatic and postmodern

http://thejabberwocky.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=89&start=70#p1552

Hah!

Hi ALL

VERY RECOMMENDED

If you are using terrasync to download terrain, make sure to prevent the stop of the routine due to errors as KL-666 indicates here

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=226#p3873

That could prevent the lack of terrain and airport when arriving the destinations