World's Challenging Approaches -3 |NZQN|02-09-2017|16:00Z

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Re: World's Challenging Approaches -3 |NZQN|02-08-2017|16:00Z

Postby V12 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:45 am

I flew approach 32 (VOR/DME C) with manual VOR interception 1 nm before AFTON for turn radius reduction.

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Re: World's Challenging Approaches -3 |NZQN|02-08-2017|16:00Z

Postby KL-666 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:46 am

Just watched the video of the gamer landing in an earier post:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sInOI0HqCQ

That approach is utter rubbish. Especially that insane circling between the mountains just before the runway. If you unnecessarily endanger your plane like that, you can turn any airport in the most dangerous airport. That guy is lucky he does not have a license, so it can not be taken away from him.

Here is how the 260 degrees approach is done IRL. Just sail the plane straight in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNCQlCgb0SQ

Generally it is better to fare on IRL videos instead of some gamers fantasies.

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Re: World's Challenging Approaches -3 |NZQN|02-08-2017|16:00Z

Postby V12 » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:24 am

IMHO, it is not gamer's fantasy. He performed visual circling that is described in the approach plates :

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Re: World's Challenging Approaches -3 |NZQN|02-08-2017|16:00Z

Postby KL-666 » Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:10 am

See, there is the difference with real aviation. Gamers blindly follow each and every single line they can find on a map, even if it is not a standard part of the approach. That circuit is depicted there for special purposes to know how not to hit a mountain when low circling is necessary. GA generally makes circuits, the circuit could be used for go-arounds or when the ATC needs more separation.

But it is definitely not part of the standard approach. Or do you want to say that each and every jetliner landing there daily is doing it wrong? And the ATC there is wrong? But the gamer is right?

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Re: World's Challenging Approaches -3 |NZQN|02-08-2017|16:00Z

Postby SHM » Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:50 am

Earlier, the only approaches to Queenstown were VOR/DME approaches with 5.4%+ gradients, which also required a circling manoeuver to be completed in a small valley North East of the field.

Nowadays, RNP approaches are used which don't require circling.

But, we will be doing the circling (what's the challenge otherwise ;) )

Check this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EGYNjj7y3Q
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Re: World's Challenging Approaches -3 |NZQN|02-08-2017|16:00Z

Postby KL-666 » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:20 am

That film depicts a valid use of the circuit. If you approach from the "wrong" end of the runway, then turning around is inevitable.

Btw. That pilot was approaching over the part of the lake before the bend. There is no line drawn there on any map. Naughty pilot! :-) Or is there more to flying than senselessly following lines?

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Re: World's Challenging Approaches -3 |NZQN|02-08-2017|16:00Z

Postby V12 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:54 pm

SHM wrote:But, we will be doing the circling (what's the challenge otherwise ;) )


I made circling. With Concorde and 200 KIAS not absolutly simple, but possible. Flight log at https://fgtracker.ml/modules/fgtracker/ ... ID=6934908

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Re: World's Challenging Approaches -3 |NZQN|02-08-2017|16:00Z

Postby KL-666 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:20 am

On the other forum i read about a top ace pilot called PavlinSierra. Maybe someone should bring this event to his attention. He might enjoy this challenge.

There is also a guy called Wecsje, who also seems to be an ace. He might enjoy this challenge too.

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Postby SHM » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:28 am

Wecsje is here
memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=201

You're mistaken about Pavlin. Don't judge him by his flight hours :P
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Postby IAHM-COL » Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:14 am

SHM wrote:
You're mistaken about Pavlin. Don't judge him by his flight hours :P


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