Why am I not banned yet??

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Re: Why am I not banned yet??

Postby IAHM-COL » Wed Sep 07, 2016 5:21 pm

https://forum.flightgear.org/viewtopic. ... 45#p293870
Bugman wrote:
D-ECHO, it's pretty simple. Since March 2015 when Israel was trying his hardest to convince me in private emails to become the maintainer of FGMEMBERS (and thereby convert the FlightGear project to FGMEMBERS from the FGAddon infrastructure that Torsten Dreyer gave me the keys to to maintain), I have tried to advise him to position his creation to not be in conflict with the official infrastructure. I have given him a lot of advice, but there is a single sticking point - he wants the FGMEMBERS infrastructure to replace the official FlightGear content infrastructure. He stubbornly refuses to shift from this position to this day. Anyway, here is a simple demonstration of this problem:

Re: FGMEMBERS infrastructure vs. FlightGear infrastructure.
Btw, my challenge to you to get the FGMEMBERS core to produce evidence (as links to the public archives) where their contributions were rejected still stands.

Regards,
Edward


Haha
That's a big fantasy. I never asked Bugman to be my maintainer!!

I invited him, as many others to join the team. Not to be a maintainer! (was this what he thought and why he declined?! I am wondered)
Even curt himself and Torsten D. have the same invitation around in their email.

I know of his advice of setting FGMEMBERS not to be in conflict with the official infrastructure. Guess what!. It is not in conflict with it . Nothing in FGMEMBERS endangers FGADDon. So his advice are always empty bags.

The conflict is all in his mind and others with some weird paranoia.
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Re: Why am I not banned yet??

Postby Octal450 » Wed Sep 07, 2016 5:31 pm

+1 jwocky

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Re: Why am I not banned yet??

Postby IAHM-COL » Wed Sep 07, 2016 5:39 pm

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Bugman wrote:Btw, my challenge to you to get the FGMEMBERS core to produce evidence (as links to the public archives) where their contributions were rejected still stands.

Regards,
Edward


OK.

Scenery

Japan updates were rejected. Officially here:
https://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/ma ... /34936995/
TDreyer wrote:Thanks for all your responses,

after a some privat emails we decided to reject the submissions. The
reasons were:
- The Models use high resolution textures not adequate for our database
- The Models were copies or derivates of work found here:
http://www.grafikavirtual.com/fgfs/?sec=escenarios.php
- The author refused to cooperate


Torsten


terraGIT was then created to override this restrictions and be able to offer the enhanced scenery to users for the festival. And it was good.


Aircrafts

Aircraft updates were officially rejected and T. Dreyer rejected any possibility to sync the newly born FGMEMBERS to FGADDon.

https://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/ma ... /33553676/
IH-COL on the devel list 3/6/15 at 16:42Z wrote:Hi ALL

While appreciating the efforts D Torsten is doing to gain us an aircraft
stripped aircraft FGDATA that is longly overdue, and it will be a nice base
for you all guys to continue developing the fantastic Fligthgear FS; and
recognizing that a "consensus" had been reached that aircraft will be
mainly developed in a subversion repository, a.k.a FG-ADDON, I wanted to
place a request for FG-ADDON.


I hope this email is not a waste of keystrokes!

stuart Buchanan wrote:@Stuart Wrote
>>Bear in mind that your fork _will_ diverge over time from the svn fgaddon
respository as there's no guarantee that any commits made to the fgaddon
svn will merge cleanly with your downstream repository. You will need to
take responsibility for resolving any conflicts.


James wrote:@James Wrote:
>>- explicitly allow an aircraft in FGaddon to be made into a Git-svn
import. I.e that an aircraft developer or team can request that they will
maintain their own Git repo for an aircraft, and we will automate
pushing/pulling changes from that repository to fgaddons. The intention
being that for the people who do want to use Git to maintain aircraft,
we’re not putting any obstacles in their way. We do need to figure out the
most efficient / safest model to run git-svn in for this; i.e do we
schedule a cron-job which pulls from a list of trusted Git repos to
fgaddons daily, or something else? I’m sure many different workflows are
possible.


A real alternative, also previously proposed by Chris blues, is to make the
development on git and svn a double-way street.
That is improvements in the
git area of aircrafts are rebased on the SVN, and those in the SVN are
rebased in SVN. Mainly, keeping both areas IN SYNC
. That way, developers
can choose for a SCM that fits their style, and at the same style keep an
open development of aircraft that fosters cooperations without necessarily
give many authors write commits on any central repository[
.

Also, if both FG-ADDON and FGMEMBERS are effectivey synchronized, there
will not be a major difference for the end user, where he/she is getting
aircrafts from, in any terms: Direct download, git with chosen modules, SVN
per directory, or the whole SVN repo.
Synchronizing the FGMEMBERs and
FG-ADDON repos is very doable with the use of fantastic git tools, such as
git-svn.
--yet it may bring political discussions that had to be
acknowledge in the context of a greater leniency into commits that can make
it through in the official branches on both FG-ADDON and FGMEMBERs.

************ IMPORTANTLY **************

To be able to sync both FGMEMBERS and FG-ADDON, and make an effective
two-way highway that will effectively prevent either of these repos to
diverge, their commit histories need to be compatible -- aka the same/have
common commits.

That is not the current case, because FGMEMBERs had been, from the
beginning respectful of the history commits of these aircraft in the FGDATA
repository. While FGADDON has been built on the premise that no=one cares
for a history log anyway and a simplified, First commit can replace
hundreds if not thousands of previously authored steps.

I could remake FGMEMBERS to have FGADDON absurd history log rather simply.

On the contrary, and this is the purpose of this letter:

I want to request the FGADDON administrators to consider spending a few
more of their valuable time reconstructing an FGADDON more properly done,
with the history of aircraft from the current fgdata git repo in gitorious,
or from the history logs in FGMEMBERS. Either way, they will be containing
common histories, and such Two-way highway between aircrafts hosted in GIT
(fgmbers) and SVN (FGADDON) could be created


Thanks for your responses to this petition,
Sincerely

Israel Hernandez


https://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/ma ... /33553749/

It took Torsten 10 minutes to decide for a vetoing, offering no technical insight.
T.Dreyer devel.lis 3/6/15 at 16:54 wrote:Sorry, dude. The guy wearing glasses is an admin of fgaddon.

> Hi ALL
>
> While appreciating the efforts D Torsten is doing to gain us an aircraft
> stripped aircraft FGDATA that is longly overdue, and it will be a nice base
> for .... etc



I swallow pride and insist

https://sourceforge.net/p/flightgear/ma ... /33553883/
IH-COL again on the devel list 3/6/15 at 17:05 wrote:Hi Torsten!
Nice. That's you... Rite?

Thus, let me address you directly, again, therefore, the request to
consider reconstructing FGADDON with history is particularly: Would you
guys be interested in taking extra steps and reconstructing it with full
commit history?

Maybe is the right thing to do, and a way to make the git area fully
compatible to the SVN area?


Finally, Torsten D declares all thing considered, and negotiations closed, For good. And officially rejected.

Torsten Dreyer Devel.List 03/07/16 08:21Z wrote:Israel,

when the transition of fgdata is complete, we have a system that does what
it should and works for most of us perfectly well. What looks like a
win-win for you is actually a win-loose for me
and I am on the loose side
as I am wasting time with it without having any benefit. Personaly, I can't
see any need for duplicating the repositories.

And to be honest: Over the last month I had all the fun with pushing files
around and converting fgdata that one could probably have. I want to
continue with Phi, I want to get the FSWeekend equipment working again
after a HD crash (just 8 month to go!), I have a C172 airframe that I want
to power by FG. I want to practice single-engine CATII ILS approaches in
heavy croswind in FlightGear. I want to renew my real life pilot license.
And last but not least, I have a lovely family to spend the upcoming spring
with.

Life is too short for useless work.

<tldr>No, I am not considering your proposal.</tldr>

Torsten



Is that enough evidence for you Bugman that we did try to merge back and it was Officially rejected?
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/IAHM-COL/gpg-pubkey/master/pubkey.asc

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Re: Why am I not banned yet??

Postby J Maverick 16 » Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:08 pm

works for most of us

Most doesn't mean all.
I really have no idea about how SVN, SourceForge, {all that stuff} works, really.
But they keep saying that it is easier and better while all the FG newbies (yes, them) keep saying that they don't understand a f**k of how the new FG versions work, thinking the have got a broken download or whatever. And this ain't a stupid conspiracy theory, it's a matter of fact.
And because "Life is too short for useless work", they keep warning/banning/annoying people who view things differently or even because they post "misleading" screenshots.
Am I missing something?
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Re: Why am I not banned yet??

Postby D-ECHO » Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:11 pm

IAHM-COL, your RJBB terminal etc. were rejected for a quite simple and clear reason, I don't understand why you didn't change the texture, a work of minutes, to meet the terrasync standards and re-submit? It'd make it all much easier.

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Re: Why am I not banned yet??

Postby IAHM-COL » Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:25 pm

It wasn't RJBB terminal. It was RJGG terminal.

I did all work to take Hector's work to conform to terrasync's standards and submitted. They came back saying that the textures were too big, and I demostrated them that due to UV map constrains with much more complex objects, the texture size was optimized, and that reduction caused a big impact in the way it rendered (it looked blurry) bit the larger baked textures did not looked as blurry. I also tested in different computers, and even my lower specs performed great with the larger textures.

Intriguingly, such restriction was not even before. I did submit many files at that texture before without any problem. But then they target my development because Geneve airport, and looked for a good excuse to block me to submit.

Last thing I heard was that the curator of Terrasync (vicmar) wrote me an email saying that my emails were going from now on to the trash bin. And then chubu was rejected. End of story. I was incommunicated.

much of the work in Kansai is similar to that of Chubu in terms of textures.
The topic is over for me. I am not submitting more work to terrasync this way, or passing via vicmar.

If they give me SVN access, I can push my work directly (terraGIT content) and they'll get it.
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Re: Why am I not banned yet??

Postby IAHM-COL » Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:26 pm

Also, you are missing an important point here:

They discussed in that devel list whether to request for modification or reject straight up without re-submission possibilities.
Most people did say: ask for a texture change. Yet, Torsten D said on that same letter that after considered privately with people involved, they decided to reject -- not to reconsider a submission.
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Re: Why am I not banned yet??

Postby IAHM-COL » Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:28 pm

And to finalize. That's only good for the 3d buildings.

I couldnt possibly push the terrain changes via the webforms.
Nor to push OSM2roads or OSM2city

So, as it stands, the technology allowed in terrasync was inferior to what it was necessary to make Japan look as intended for the Festival.
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Re: Why am I not banned yet??

Postby IAHM-COL » Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:30 pm

For evidence: check here all the hoops I jumped trying to get this done

https://github.com/FGMEMBERS-SCENERY/RJ ... its/master

see commits from ddb800ba124c7967c5bd83cbd58bac77182b22ae to 069f2803713480dde1346db41255e9dc614187dc and you'll see all the work I put to be able to get that airport accepted.

Their answer? I did not want to cooperate/
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Re: Why am I not banned yet??

Postby bomber » Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:34 pm

D-ECHO wrote:IAHM-COL, your RJBB terminal etc. were rejected for a quite simple and clear reason, I don't understand why you didn't change the texture, a work of minutes, to meet the terrasync standards and re-submit? It'd make it all much easier.


You genuinely accept the request to do lower quality work ?

And understand it's FGAddon that accusing FGMEMBERS of not providing upstream integration as a definition of hostile fork.

D-ECHO you might well get your planes on FGAddon, and if you're ok doing more SVN stuff well that fine with me, but to me it smells of trying to drive a wedge.....

FGAddon should want quality work to distribute. The shop keeper doesn't tell Nestle how big or what packaging their chocolate bars should be...
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